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15-inchers for Scharnhorst class, pre-WW2

From the wiki article of the Scharnhorst class:Because the maximum calibre of naval gun allowed under the Anglo-German Naval Agreement was 40.6 cm (16 inch), Hitler soon had second thoughts about the...

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Paul Lakowski wrote:I doubt the figures for propulsion mass on any hypothetical super cruiser. According to "Allgermeine Konstrukiondaten fur uberwasses schiffe" , the mass of the entire propulsion...

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Re: 15-inchers for Scharnhorst class, pre-WW2

OK thanks matt! Now we have more to work with. . Fuel on the Hipper was 3050t max and propulsion was 2400-2500t.. Auxiliary engines on AGS are 3360KW and weight 762t . Hipper power is only 2900KW or...

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Re: 15-inchers for Scharnhorst class, pre-WW2

MattReloaded wrote:Paul Lakowski wrote:I doubt the figures for propulsion mass on any hypothetical super cruiser. According to "Allgermeine Konstrukiondaten fur uberwasses schiffe" , the mass of the...

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Re: 15-inchers for Scharnhorst class, pre-WW2

Matrose71 wrote:MattReloaded wrote:Paul Lakowski wrote:I doubt the figures for propulsion mass on any hypothetical super cruiser. According to "Allgermeine Konstrukiondaten fur uberwasses schiffe" ,...

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Re: 15-inchers for Scharnhorst class, pre-WW2

The difference between 1013ts and 1716ts is not only the mass of fuel lines, also it includes drive shafts, shafts, hydraulic clutches, gear boxes, floor plates etc.

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Re: 15-inchers for Scharnhorst class, pre-WW2

Matrose71 wrote:The difference between 1013ts and 1716ts is not only the mass of fuel lines, also it includes drive shafts, shafts, hydraulic clutches, gear boxes, floor plates etc.I don't think I...

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Re: 15-inchers for Scharnhorst class, pre-WW2

Ok sorry, the I have misunderstood your post.

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Re: 15-inchers for Scharnhorst class, pre-WW2

Matrose71 wrote:Ok sorry, the I have misunderstood your post.No problem at all.   

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Re: 15-inchers for Scharnhorst class, pre-WW2

Matrose post 132 you said 4300 tons for heavy cruiser @ 110,000hp post 136 you report MI @ 3400-3500 tons for such power requirement post 157 you now claim 4650 tons for double AGS system needed for...

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Re: 15-inchers for Scharnhorst class, pre-WW2

I have my figures straight! MI is the machinery power plant, and I always said 3400-3500ts for 110000hp. The MII for the electrical systems is unspecified. Do you want a 3 turret, or 2 or 4 turret...

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Re: 15-inchers for Scharnhorst class, pre-WW2

I am hoping to count on you having your figures straight!!! The alternative fleet would be based on extrapolating the Plan 1932 Naval Fleet with the 6 x 18,500 ton Improved Panzerschiffe , each with...

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Matrose71 wrote:@ Paul Lakowski Your first sentence is correct, because this power plant was 8 x MZ12 42/58 with 4 MZ6 42/58. This powerplant had 78000 WPS But all MZ engines from MZ 32/44, to MZ...

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Re: 15-inchers for Scharnhorst class, pre-WW2

Pushing speculation one step further, the German ocean liners Bremen and Europa built in the late 1920s both featured a bulbous bow. I'm not sure what Bremen's and Europa's bulbous bow looked like, or...

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Re: 15-inchers for Scharnhorst class, pre-WW2

Just use the bulbous bow found on historic Scharnhorst (add "Atlantic" bow features while you are at it). Transom stern improves top speed because it makes the hull appear longer than it is; but it...

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Re: 15-inchers for Scharnhorst class, pre-WW2

wrt BREMEN and EUROPAit was not just a bullbows bow (straight) but the intended combination of bullbows bow and a pronounced fwd hull shoulder in order to create a secondary waveline, which in high...

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Re: 15-inchers for Scharnhorst class, pre-WW2

don4331 wrote:Just use the bulbous bow found on historic Scharnhorst (add "Atlantic" bow features while you are at it). Transom stern improves top speed because it makes the hull appear longer than it...

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Re: 15-inchers for Scharnhorst class, pre-WW2

My laptop is ancient and this is the third time I have typed this.... Thanks to MATT , DON & MATROSE for the help . I will explore transom through SS when I get home. Does SS sim bulbous bows...

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Re: 15-inchers for Scharnhorst class, pre-WW2

Paul Lakowski wrote:Thanks to MATT , DON & MATROSE for the help . I will explore transom through SS when I get home. Does SS sim bulbous bows effect?The SS version I am using is V3b2a and, unless...

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Re: 15-inchers for Scharnhorst class, pre-WW2

More than happy to indulge you Matt: I have plans from AJ Press for Prinz Eugen & Deutschland with good cutaways. Prinz Eugen is 21.9m in beam; Deutschland is 20.7m. Moreover, the engine room is...

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Re: 15-inchers for Scharnhorst class, pre-WW2

People here seem to be clued up on '30s diesels; what were their crew requirements like? AIUI low manning is one reason for diesels dominating modern merchant shipping.

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